I contacted both Noah Grey and FlippedCracker (Robert) before I started up these boards and don't wish to presume to speak for them.
However, it seems that if grey matter is to continue with forums, support, and code modifcations, that we will have to move forward with this current setup.
FlippedCracker regretted not posting something official in the old forums, but he and others felt that it was time to let Grey Matter 'die'.
I however, have found it to be very useful and while I can understand people's fustration with making code changes, I am interested in further Grey Matter development with any help available.
I agree that it is a terrible shame that all the old knowledge base is lost. I am hopeing that by using free software hosts, the community will be more stable and will be unaffected by 'changes in management'.
Last Edit: Aug 17, 2006 23:24:39 GMT -5 by coldstone
Was this a sort of general concensus that was reached by the entire community, or just the people at the top?
And in that vein, can we count on help from people at the old board, or are we now on our own?
BTW: I'd like to help as much as I can, but I'm not a PERL buff, and only vaguely understand how GM works in terms of code and mechanics; however, I've been using it for almost 3 years now, and am somewhat experienced from the user's end.
Since nothing was officially posted, and I did see activity just the day before the board was shut down, I do not feel it was a community decision. I hope that those members of the original boards that wish to keep working with GM will find their way here.
I feel there is plenty to do besides perl work here. I know that the documents are good, but I would like to condense some of the documents out there (there are some that are on the greysoft website). I think the docs could definatly be revamped, and its on my todo list before the next version is released.
I like the seperate intall and manual docs. But I would like a kind of gm-cookbook that might be sort of a FAQ (in the style of the Oreilly cookbooks). Any help would be cool.
Post by petefinnigan on Aug 29, 2006 3:50:35 GMT -5
I dont think so.
The issue was that a small group who controlled the updates and the forum no longer wanted to support the forum and the software. That is their choice, it doenst mean that the sofware is dead, its just their opinion.
There are still plenty of people using GM and wanting new features. It will live on here. It is a pity that the history has gone but if the owners dont want that forum up anymore there is little we can do other than start again here..:-) and feed from google cache whilst its still there and also the web archive.
Pete, is it unethical for me to 'exalt' your for this post? Couldn't agree more.
To expand on Pete's post, the ability to hand off the forums and the control is one of the reasons I setup thes forums on a 3rd party host (yes, free is nice too). We are trading off the stability of the forum host for the ability to keep the forum going after people decide to step aside.
Post by flippedcracker on Aug 31, 2006 12:05:25 GMT -5
technically it was a singular decision (mine) because i felt our forum software was not secure (since it had been hacked twice) and i also felt gm was not the best product available. i still have all the old posts, and as soon as i find a way to make it available in a more secure format, i will.
sometimes it takes a rude awakening to bring the people that want to help out of the woodwork. the same happened to me. many years ago, the previous copyright holder decided it was time to let gm go, but i didn't and so i took it over. it's good to see so many people want to help with gm, and maybe this will bring new life into the software and community itself.